Car Fires

[fireman2697]

JUST LIKE TOO KNOW IF ANY VOLLY FIRE DEPTS. HAVE S.O.P. FOR CAR FIRES.

[JGallagher]

Call 2 companys and then put water on the fire!!

[bfrd22]

Roll Pump 2 and Rescue 3 (in that order).
Block traffic as needed to protect FF's and Public.
fill it with foam.
Do Traffic control till released by Police.
Wait for Tow Truck to pull out.
Go Clean area and back to Hall to clean up.

[bestcoast]

1 truck...1 hose.....

[FireEMTGuy]

Originally posted by bestcoast
1 truck...1 hose.....

I second that, the only reason for more, as stated above in rural dept's is for traffic control, exposure protection, DG, or medical assist.

A lot of the time dispatch is wrong and there may actually be more than one car, trapped patients, etc. Dispatch is only as reliable as those calling it in.

[JGallagher]

Originally posted by FireEMTGuy
I second that, the only reason for more, as stated above in rural dept's is for traffic control, exposure protection, DG, or medical assist.

A lot of the time dispatch is wrong and there may actually be more than one car, trapped patients, etc. Dispatch is only as reliable as those calling it in.

Well the only time that we dont respond to some thing full tilt is when dispatch tell us to respond cold. A MVA clean up is not some thing that we will speed to with lights and sirens. I know that some will and others wont. I say that if it is not a Immediate threat to persons or the enviorment then dont rush.

[iamvff]

We take our Snuffer and our Rescue, and a minimum of five guys and a max of probably 6 or 7. We don't bother with the pumper, as we can always call back for it if required, and I have never seen it required at a car fire yet.

Be safe,
iamvff

[DFCSmash]

Pumper 3 and Rescue. Pumper 3 has Foam equipment, extrication equip, and is set up for MVA incidents. Chevy cabover, seats 2, 3 in a pinch. Rescue is personel transport, seats and belts for 10, 4 paks in walkaway brackets, forcible entry tools etc. We don't do traffic control in MB because "thats the RCMP's job" :rolleyes: We do "scene security and life safety detail" :D We don't have a snuffer or mini, 2 840 pumpers, #2 is setup for structural incidents seats same as #3. 6 - 8 personnel to all vehicular incidents. Will call back for more if required.

[iamvff]

Originally posted by DFCSmash
We don't do traffic control in MB because "thats the RCMP's job

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Sorry, did I say that out loud?

Be safe,
iamvff

[Red_Devil]

Ok maybe im the only one here that notices this, But what the hell does a guy with a gun shot wound have to do with car fires, I think i mentioned this before but is it really absolutely necessary to put those kind of details in a car fire post.

Deevo....buddy....What dont you post in another forum if you wanna tell everyone what you saw, maybe you can label the subject " Lets all bragg what kind of gory call I had" forum , where you can label it adult content too. If you want to withhold a professional image, theres a time and place to discuss those kind of calls. By the way there is internet sites strickly that post pictures of those kind of calls, i think this kind of stuff belongs there.

Yadda Yadda Yadda

[wilderness]

Car fire..............................
Roll 1 pumper and 1 tanker
2 guys with traffic control vest and wands till OPP arrive
tanker sits at a stagging area till Pumper requires additional water
1 (50) ft length of 2-1/2 with a gated Y
2 (50) ft length of 1-1/2 attached to Y one on each side
two fighters per hose
team one approach from 45 deg angle and attack fire hit below car first and procced from there
team two is back up and looks for flames maybe heading into a field and can act on it....
Everyone is in full turnout gear and SCBA's
Also with team one is additional firefighter with tools to open hood and things.......... i could go into further details but i think you all get the point........


Hey DEVIL you need to relax........chilllllllllllllllllllllllllll have a beer

[ndvfd_ff33]

We roll out front run pumper and if its over them mountain we roll a tanker as well

[Red_Devil]

Sorry your right, thats one of my pet peeves though, guys who try and bragg what they have done and seen on the job...Again sorry boys....

[wilderness]

just wanted to jab at you, to be honest its fun to get you rowled up

[iamvff]

I personally laughed out loud! RD.....Ya kill me:p

A little squeemish are we???

be safe,
iamvff

[Red_Devil]

hahaha, its all good, if you wanna poke a little fun at old red, go right ahead, just be prepared for a comeback!!!

Oh and im not squeemish, just feel like posting such a brutal thing has its own kinda place, not this forum though

[iamvff]

Originally posted by Red_Devil
hahaha, its all good, if you wanna poke a little fun at old red, go right ahead, just be prepared for a comeback!!!

RD...I'm laugh'n with ya, buddy...Glad to see that you take it in stride! I have had more chuckles on this site since I came across it, then I've had in a long time.

More people need to make a serious comment when it's required, and Have a little fun when it's not :D :p :D :p

Be safe,
iamvff

[Jay74]

I agree

[Red_Devil]

thanks Jay, im here in the name of FUN!

[Rescue78]

Originally posted by wilderness
Car fire..............................
Roll 1 pumper and 1 tanker
2 guys with traffic control vest and wands till OPP arrive
tanker sits at a stagging area till Pumper requires additional water
1 (50) ft length of 2-1/2 with a gated Y
2 (50) ft length of 1-1/2 attached to Y one on each side
two fighters per hose
team one approach from 45 deg angle and attack fire hit below car first and procced from there
team two is back up and looks for flames maybe heading into a field and can act on it....
Everyone is in full turnout gear and SCBA's
Also with team one is additional firefighter with tools to open hood and things.......... i could go into further details but i think you all get the point........

That is pretty much the OFM way of doing it. However, I have one question. Why the gated Y? Would it not be easier to pull two preconnects from the pump? The way I see your protocol, you have to pull a section of 2 1/2, attach a gated Y, pull a 1-1/2, attach it. Now you can flow water to one while you attach the second 1-1/2.

Why not simply pull a 1-1/2 preconnect, ask for water. BAM!
Meanwhile, team 2 pulls a second line and asks for water---BAM! BAM!

The other advantage is that you are using water from 2 different outlets, so unless the pump totally fails, both lines are totally independant.

[FireEMTGuy]

I'd have to agree, at least one 38 or 44 and (but not totally necessary, depends on the size of the fire) a seperate 38/44 from a seperate discharge. Less chance of one of the lines failing. Plus, just how much time are you going to get out of your tank with a 65>2(38)'s running (if by chance your tanker doesn't make it)? One 38, IMLO, works well for your "typical" car fire.



approach from 45 deg angle

Good tactic, often overlooked or taken for granted.

[wilderness]

It was preconected in the tranverse bed, It was sugested and we have tried it...some liked it some didn't...... now we run two seperate lines 1-1/2" and follow the same rules.....
Yea they showed us a few great ways at the O.F.C on module A and said to addapt it from their to fit our own needs....... we are in rural Ontario our First pumber has 1200 gallons and tanker has 1500.... approx....... for a car fire no shortage of water i would almost be certain that we would back the tanker up to the car and fill it.. if the big guy would let us lol........

[JGallagher]

One thing that I have learnd. Dont stand in front of the car. The "machines" that hold the hood open will shoot out. Due to the heat.

[iamvff]

Originally posted by JGallagher
One thing that I have learnd. Dont stand in front of the car. The "machines" that hold the hood open will shoot out. Due to the heat.

HeyJG,
Not only the hood, but a hatchback also, and the bumpers quite often have hydralic struts or shocks holding them in place too. This is why there has been the reference to approaching at a 45 degree angle. The bumper struts are knee height...you'd have a hard time puttin the star on the tree after one of those puppies went off:(

Merry christmas,
Be safe,
iamvff

[wilderness]

A few years ago a lady i believe it was in Ottawa was killed when a bumper shock blew out and flew across the road a through her passenger window and killed her....always always always approach from a 45 deg angle..............

[Rescue78]

Wilderness

It was in Ottawa.

The 45 degree rule is well observed on car fires but too often ignored on car accidents. Once the struts from the front bumper are compressed from the impact, they can be held in by cruched metal. That metal can let go at anytime with a catastrophic result for the rescuers in it's path.

Always avoid the front of the car. If I drive the Squad, I personally put a pylon in front to remind everyone to avoid that area.

[wilderness]

Thanks i will keep that in mind..................

[Red_Devil]

whats that...the idea of placing the cone or the bumper taking off your head at a mvc

[Rescue78]

RD

what you are reffering to as the bumper taking off your head is an incident that happened in Ottawa at a car fire, not MVC. A strut from the hood blew and hit this lady in her car, as it was parked in front of the burning vehicle. She did not survive. You can verify that one with Mickey Stackpole, DC in Ottawa.

What I was reffering to is not flying bumpers but rather something known in auto extrication as a loaded bumper. I should have said not to lean against the bumper. As I said in my post, once the struts from the front bumper are compressed from an impact, they can be held in by crushed metal (compressed). That metal can let go at anytime, allowing the bumper to violently return to it's original position, with a catastrophic result to any rescuer in contact with that bumper (I modified the last part a bit).

The pylon thing is simply a visual reminder for crews around the car.

Reference can be foud at This Site (http://www.techrescue.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=314)

Here (http://www.vehiclex.com/vehiclex-terminology.html) , you can find the actual definition of a loaded bumper.

[wilderness]

I like the cone idea, just a simple reminder........

[fireman2697]

Hey RESCUE78 great idea with the cones simple but effective