IAFF Info Question

[hmckay91]

To your knowledge does the IAFF represent any Deputy Fire Chiefs or any other Chief rank for that matter?

If so would you provide examples? No names just dept's (Canada and/or Alberta preferred)

Thanks in advance.

[nocomment]

Battalion Chiefs are still part of our local. And every contract the city tries to get them out.

[itsnotahobby]

As far as I'm aware the highest ranking Chief in any collective agreement that I know of is a Platoon Chief.

Most municipalities consider anything above management. And a lot of municipalities, here in Ontario, would love to pull these positions from the Bargaining unit.

[ssifire]

Our Assistant Chief is in and our DC is tied to the contract by special agreement.

There are a number departments that have the A/C's in around BC.

[itsnotahobby]

Our Assistant Chief is in and our DC is tied to the contract by special agreement.

There are a number departments that have the A/C's in around BC.

Is your Assistant Chief like a Deputy?

[ve2vfd]

Unionised chiefs?

Wow... and here in Montreal the city is trying to de-unionize Captains or else outright abolish the position!

I always thought anything above the position of Captain was management hence non unionisable.

Pat

[ssifire]

Is your Assistant Chief like a Deputy?


Well the A/C is 3 in command and is basically in charge of Operations.

When we certified with the Labour Relations Board we certified with the Deputy in our union. Basically he doesn't have the right to hire or fire so we included him. During our negotiations we traded him off, but tied him to the contract to protect his rights; as at the time we was a member of our association.

[ssifire]

Unionised chiefs?

I always thought anything above the position of Captain was management hence non unionisable.

Pat

I'm not sure about there but here in BC the key seems to be the ability to hire or fire. You can still manage someone without being management.

[hmckay91]

I'm not sure about there but here in BC the key seems to be the ability to hire or fire. You can still manage someone without being management.

From my research there are multiple criteria to determine "in-scope" and "out-of-scope". Any one of which in isolation does not include or exclude the position. It is also not based purely on the job description as the managment functions have to be "shown" to occur or have occured.

[itsnotahobby]

The hard part for me comes down to discipline. How easy is it for you to discipline a brother? I mean take the assistant chief as an example, in this department is it now the sole responsibility of the Chief to deal with disciplinary action?