Auto-x gloves

[Techy5]

Hi Guys, Pls hlp

I’m looking for your views and thoughts with regards to gloves used in auto-extrication.
My current fire department uses structural firefighting gloves for this function and my own belief is that this is a “less than ideal” <being cynical> situation.

I’m looking for a list of pros and cons for NFPA 1971 structure fire gloves compared to pros and cons of using dedicated auto-x gloves such as GR-8’s, Ringers, or M-Pact II’s. (if you know of another auto-x glove pls let me know)

If you know of any SOG’s or precedents that promote the use of a dedicated auto-x glove I’d be very interested to hear from you.
In fact guys, I’d like to hear your arguments from both sides of the coin.
It is hard facts and evidence that will be of most use to me when I wage this battle but if you can present an argument in favour of NFPA 1971 fire gloves then don’t be shy.

I’d be especially interested to hear from anyone who competes or has competed in T.E.R.C. (Transportation emergency rescue committee) or is assigned to a rescue unit/pump-rescue/squad.

It has been several years since I last competed in a T.E.R.C. sanctioned event but even back then I don’t recall ever seeing a team use firefighting gloves.

If you happen to... oh I don’t know, ...say maybe have captained the 2004 Canadian championship team for example, :D (congrats to Mississauga by the way) I’d be especially interested, with your permission of course, in quoting you.

I’d like to hear from ALL of you. No matter what you have to say, good or bad, it can only help me in my cause

If for any reason you’d rather not post here then pls e-mail me at home

Thanks,

Dave
bkdrft@sympatico.ca

[Hamp42]

We use our firefighting gloves. They are bulky and can be a nuisance. We have had auto-ex gloves but they wore out in no time (within one year developed holes, were great to use though). Glass is a big problem.

[LtBlondie]

Go with Ringers, they are great I have a pair I won in combat and the fit is awesome and not half as bulky You can get them for around 40 us

[bfrd22]

We use a Mechanix style VX glove, Excellent, Yeah they last about a year, but the dexterity , and tight cuff is awsome for keeping glass and metal shards out.

We will use them on most calls when we don't need the protection of the Fire Glove, Over haul and reloading trucks, Medical Assists we will wear a Med glove underneath.

Plus they are like $26 a pair (in bulk). vs the $60 for a sturctural glove.

[Rescue78]

I wear Ringers with a pair of medical gloves underneath. That way if I make contact with the patient, I can take my work gloves off and I'm protected.

[NovaT]

Some of our guys have extrication gloves by "Valeo". They are really tough and comfortable, easy to work with. We get them for $48 cdn. The Morning Pride salesman showed us a heavy duty rescue glove that is NFPA 1851 certified. He says they are used for rescue work, are real durable and have a crosstech moisture barrier but run around $112 cdn.

[skidder]

ringers all the way man.

[cdnbacon]

Our dept supplies everyone with leather gloves that are inexpensive and very pratical. Even if the gloves wear out they cheap enough to replace easily. There are a few guys, including me, that wear auto-x gloves. I can't remember the brand of glove I have but they are excellent.

[firefighter316]

Our dept uses proflex gloves and are very happy with their durability and level of protection. We do fire rescue at a local racetrack as well every week and I've yet to hear of anyone getting cut through them.

[pitter19]

We use Ringers and a couple guys got Hercules and they love them too. Medical gloves always.

[goosebump]

We we're all issued a pair of Leathers for Auto Ex. I found them much easier to work with!! They're also nice for rope work! and inexpensive.

[ABFF37]

In recruit school, each new firefighter on my department is issued a very special, high end, pair of gardening gloves for vehicle extrication. These are state of the art, able to handle everything from post-colission power raking, right up to vehicle hedge trimming. So in other words, we get issued no actual vehicle extrication gloves (just cheap substitutes) LOL

Many guys have bought their own, personally I really like my mechanix gloves, great resistance to slashing from metal or glass, and they have unbeatable dexterity...definately my pick!

AB:);):D

[mini_dunfy]

I have a pair of Shelby's. Very nice... bright colors(easier to find for me...) lots of padding, but still feel like I dont have anything on and they have Kevlar palms and fingers. Not too badly priced I dont think...$80-120 a pair CDN.

[t_lag]

I've got a pair of Ringer short cuff auto ex gloves. Got em on sale off the internet during christmas. I find them very confortable. They seem pretty durable and have lots of padding on the palm and knuckles. Come in a variety of colours.

[Rivard17_343]

Acklands Grainger(locations throughout canada) has 2 different types of auto ex gloves
Gander x-treme extrication gloves small -xxxl 9" $50.76 cdn
11"$ 53.35 cdn
Proflex X-Factor gloves sm-xxl 9" 70.33 cdn
11" 72.29 cdn

www.acklandsgrainger.com

[Roadwarrior]

That's a pretty steep price for those gloves..they typically are about 10 bucks cheaper than that.

[hfdfirejr]

i dont own a pair but have looked in to buying a pair also but if your department runs structual fire gloves for auto x than its a down fall to the those gloves will make your hands heavy and tired quicker than a nice light pair of auto x gloves.....im a fan of ringers also .

[fireman-911]

I use a pair of leather gloves (found at Mark's Work Wearhouse) for $15.... They work great & I use for clean up to being in the car with the patient.

[BFDVFF]

Hi Guys
I'm new here, but I thought this would be a good place to jump in. I use ext. gloves now, we got them abuot 3 years ago and I wouldn't go back to my old gloves. I'm not sure of the brand, but I will check and post it later. They say you can check a pulse with them on, but I havn't had much luck. The only complaint I have is they don't keep your hands very warm.
Cheers
Danny

[TTFFA]

I have had the Ringers for 3 yrs now and love them...if your hands get cold...put medical gloves on 1st and they should keep you warmer...!

[Scuba]

I have had the Ringers for 3 yrs now and love them...if your hands get cold...put medical gloves on 1st and they should keep you warmer...!

I have 2 pair of Ringers now (one for autox one for climbing).... And LOVE them - such movement compaired to fire gloves - the dexterity they allow you is great!

[BFDVFF]

I'm not sure of the brand, but I will check and post it later.


The ones we use are also Ringers. Thanks for the med. glove hint TTFFA
Danny

[wilderness]

got me self a pair of ringers awsome gloves

[ffgreg]

Is there a Canadian based web-site where I can find Ringers gloves? I've found lots of U.S. sites, but when I've ordered other things from the states, the brokerage fees that I'm charged by UPS/Fed-Ex are more than the duties and taxes, so I'd like to buy Canadian.

Thanks!

[t_lag]

try www.cdnsafety.com

Although they don't sell ringer gloves, they do sell shelby gloves, which are just as good as the ringers. Everyone but me has them on our auto ex team, and have nothing but good things to say about them.

Cheers

[ffgreg]

Thanks Tyler, I'll check 'em out!

[dt1fire]

We got our gloves from Windsor Factory Supply.
Superior Surge glove. $31.00
So far they have been great.
Send a PM and I will give you a # and contact

[wilderness]

Just learnt that my friends auto ex. gloves are be taking out of service as they aren't suited if the cars when it catches on fire, while extrication is being done... So the chief said they aren't NFPA, rated so chuck them....
Any truth to the matter? has anyone come across this?

[Roadwarrior]

That's ridiculeous...you need the dexterity of the auto-ex gloves to be able to function properly. If the car catches on fire, you back away and let the guys with the charged hose line (and proper gloves) take over. The NFPA approval only applies to "structural" firefighting. (OK, now argue whether a vehicle is a structure..hehehe)

[t_lag]

I agree with Roadwarrior, although our department is saying the same thing. I have a pair or ringers and wouldn't trade them for a structural fire glove to do extrication any day. The chance of vehicle fire is the reason why you have a someone dedicated on the charged line.

[TTFFA]

Just learnt that my friends auto ex. gloves are be taking out of service as they aren't suited if the cars when it catches on fire, while extrication is being done... So the chief said they aren't NFPA, rated so chuck them....
Any truth to the matter? has anyone come across this?


How many people here have been to a scene, where an auto accident turns into a car fire? We just stage a 20lb ABC with our tools, just incase. Besides it's so much easier than rebedding the hose.
Is the FF on the hose in full SCBA then?

TTFFA

[Scuba]

How many people here have been to a scene, where an auto accident turns into a car fire? We just stage a 20lb ABC with our tools, just incase. Besides it's so much easier than rebedding the hose.
Is the FF on the hose in full SCBA then?

TTFFA

Yes, and Yes they're in full gear with the trash line off the front of the pumper.

[TTFFA]

Nice, so who is doing the auto ex?

[Scuba]

Nice, so who is doing the auto ex?

Usualy there's more than 4 people that show up to a call.... (IC, Pump op, 2 FF'ers donned up and ready)

[TTFFA]

Have you ever had an accident turn ito a fire while you were there?

[Scuba]

Got there afterwards - one VSA and a bunch of assorted PT's... quite the scene

Don't need to see it twice to convince me it's worth pulling a hose at an accident.

[Roadwarrior]

Have you ever had an accident turn ito a fire while you were there?

No, not that I can recall.....but it can and does happen.

[TTFFA]

Just wondering if the people on scene can be utilized for extrication and have an extinguisher handy? Of course if there is a large fuel spill involved...

[TTFFA]

Does anyone have the Ringers Barriers yet?
http://www.thefirestore.com/store/category.cfm/cid_1778_ringers_barrier_1_extrication_gloves/

[Roadwarrior]

You do whatever works for you. Obviously, the ideal situation is to have 2 separate crews...one for extrication and one for protection....but if there is only one guy there, he really can't stand around with a hose line in his hand waiting for the victims to extricate themselves.

[iamvff]

Just wondering if the people on scene can be utilized for extrication and have an extinguisher handy?
We would use people (bystanders) on scene at all of our scenes...as long as they are in full PPE, and fully trained to help! Haven't come across that yet though.

Of course if there is a large fuel spill involved...

Ya best have more than a 20lb'er handy for that one!



iamvff