Negotiations and Locals

[FF12]

Anyone have any evidence of a local getting more in negotiations because they are able to compare to a local close to your own?

[alwaysremember]

Anyone have any evidence of a local getting more in negotiations because they are able to compare to a local close to your own?

I understand most locals follow L3888 when it comes to negtiations. For example, the 24 hours shift, 3-6-9 etc. I also understand there are no current negtiations going on in Ontario until L3888 gets itself straightened out. No hard facts, just a very good inside source.

[itsnotahobby]

I understand most locals follow L3888 when it comes to negtiations. For example, the 24 hours shift, 3-6-9 etc. I also understand there are no current negtiations going on in Ontario until L3888 gets itself straightened out. No hard facts, just a very good inside source.

ummmm... in short no and no. There are locals that are currently involved in negotiations. Many things do come out of Local 3888 and then spread accross the province but locals negotiate to comparable departments, ie., comparable in size.

[SFRS86]

Sarnia and London are both currently under negotiations. I think London is heading to arbitration but Sarnia is still having what I hope is productive discussions. It seems most use what the local Police with their contracts, so I guess it does trickle in from T.O.
With that, Does anyone have info on what happened in Kitchener regarding the shift format?

[alwaysremember]

ummmm... in short no and no. There are locals that are currently involved in negotiations. Many things do come out of Local 3888 and then spread accross the province but locals negotiate to comparable departments, ie., comparable in size.

Maybe we can agree to disagree. It is my understanding that there may be locals at the "negotiation stage" but no ones talking.

[dentedhead]

Maybe we can agree to disagree. It is my understanding that there may be locals at the "negotiation stage" but no ones talking.

Im with INAH on this 3888 may have some items others look at but I cant recall us using anything from them directly.The comparisson to police has been in place forever,Wne I worked in TO EMS always wanted parity with fire.We are currently at the lawyer reading overthe offer stage after going to arb and coming to an agreement,and yes we have comparables that are factored in.The OPFFA also have a stake in the deal because regardless of size whatever dept A does it can adversly effect depts B-Z

[FiremanLGT]

My understanding is some cities that had offers on the table have retracted them and will prefer to go the arbitration route cuz if Hudak and the conservatives get elected in October there will be (favorable) changes to the arbitration process for the city.

[cmollison]

I understand most locals follow L3888 when it comes to negtiations. For example, the 24 hours shift, 3-6-9 etc. I also understand there are no current negtiations going on in Ontario until L3888 gets itself straightened out. No hard facts, just a very good inside source.

I have to agree with INAH and Dented. Toronto due to its size is a beast on it's own. We are going for ratification at the end of this month. We have wage parity with our police. Currently we are on the 24 but in 2 years when the LOU is up we have no idea where it is going to go. None of the departments in our region are on the 24 and have voted it down so it will be interesting to see where we end up.

Dented hit the nail on the head when we mentioned the OPFFA has a standing interest in all contracts that are signed because it could affect all the other locals. For example if department A were to give up Platoon Chiefs it could set a very bad precedence to all comparable local's.

[Leafs Fan]

We are finished 3 days of arbitration and await another couple of dates. With the present arbitration system it seems to take years to get throught the system , basically we seem to be buying any raise we get. We are a local of 60 or so members and we compare our selves to similar size depts and geographically close cities. Both the association and the corporation have very similar lists of comparitors and use these to show the arb board that their demands are the norm among similar entities. Toronto's Local may have bearing on our contract in some sense, but Welland , a community of roughly the same size and fire dept of similar make up has far more implications for us during negotiations. We use a list of 12 or so comparitors, and the Big Smoke is not one of them.

[Profire]

Anyone have any evidence of a local getting more in negotiations because they are able to compare to a local close to your own?

LOL, it is called "Comparability" and is the corner stone of collective bargaining

[nocomment]

Like most of our contracts, by the time the Arbitrator comes down with a decision it's time to start negotiations for the next contract...