For the military firefighters here, what is the genaral word in your halls? Where I am at it is not going over good and alot of guys will not sign it. So they will not be going on a 5's course.
And what's going to be the knock on effect of that?
The knock off will be less experienced ff's later on in life. Talking like 10 years from now. Less promotions cause there will be no one to promote. Probably have to open up to direct entries,crews go down to minimum manning, our budget goes for a big sh!t cause NDHQ will see how f'd up we are.
Pretty sure they can't do that. I would go and talk to your bpso and inquire about this. From my understanding only officers have a restricted contract such as the one purposed. i.e doctors, dentists, and if the CF paid for your university. That seems very unrealistic to try and impose such restrictions.
It's not going over well at my firehall, that's for certain. I know of at least 5 guys who are now just going to finish their contract and not re-sign or are just releasing.
Not only are they making people sign, they are reneging on those who signed the 20yr contract to go onto their 5s, (awaiting course) those guys are being forced to sign the new restricted 5yr.
It's a retention plan...but what the military fails to see, getting hired civy side isn't just seals (any kid can get 10 seals) but its experience that counts. People will leave regardless.
There are alot of guys at our hall who say they will not sign it. Some have even already turned down the 5s course in feb and refused a new TOS. They are just going to finish out their contracts as QL4 qualified guys. No talk of going anywhere as the hall is already short man power. I truely feel sorry for the boys who signed TOS in the fall and now have to deal with this BS. Its a damn shame.
I agree with flanker. People are going to get out regardless. Now they just have more of a reason to do so. This is the wrong way of going about retaining guys. Anyone who is on the fence about staying in has now made up their mind. And Ill tell you they arent going to sign a 5 year restriced release. The trade is just killing itself. I cant wait to see how many of the approx 75 trained QL4s waiting for a 5s cousre will actually sign a restricted release or just laugh and say NO F***ING WAY
Maybe if there was some real incentive to stay in people would. I laugh at the list of incentives the trade advisor and career manager came up with as reasons to stay in. Civy depts have pensions and health care plans too. They also offer things like overtime pay and dont post you anywhere in the country every few years, and dont make you come in on your days off with no compensation to do stupid shit like a parade, or go to the range, or being CEs little bitch or to sign something at the orderly room that clearly couldve waited til you were on duty again. As it stands now the pros simply do not out weigh the cons and the civy side of firefighting is 1000times more appealing. Some of the old guys like to say "if you dont like it get out" well guess what.....thats excatly whats happening.
You want to keep guys in. Heres what needs to happen. The higher ups need to REALLY START LISTENING to the reasons why all the young guys are getting out and make changes to keep them in. Its not 1980 anymore. Shake the cobwebs out of your head and LISTEN. Maybe just maybe some guys would stay in.
Sorry about the little rant its just so frustrating dealing with some of the decisions made in this trade. Its sad cause there is so much potential for this be be an outstanding trade but there are too many retards in ottawa who havent worked in a firehall in years making decisions on how to run firehalls
There are alot of guys at our hall who say they will not sign it. Some have even already turned down the 5s course in feb and refused a new TOS. They are just going to finish out their contracts as QL4 qualified guys. No talk of going anywhere as the hall is already short man power. I truely feel sorry for the boys who signed TOS in the fall and now have to deal with this BS. Its a damn shame.
I agree with flanker. People are going to get out regardless. Now they just have more of a reason to do so. This is the wrong way of going about retaining guys. Anyone who is on the fence about staying in has now made up their mind. And Ill tell you they arent going to sign a 5 year restriced release. The trade is just killing itself. I cant wait to see how many of the approx 75 trained QL4s waiting for a 5s cousre will actually sign a restricted release or just laugh and say NO F***ING WAY
Maybe if there was some real incentive to stay in people would. I laugh at the list of incentives the trade advisor and career manager came up with as reasons to stay in. Civy depts have pensions and health care plans too. They also offer things like overtime pay and dont post you anywhere in the country every few years, and dont make you come in on your days off with no compensation to do stupid shit like a parade, or go to the range, or being CEs little bitch or to sign something at the orderly room that clearly couldve waited til you were on duty again. As it stands now the pros simply do not out weigh the cons and the civy side of firefighting is 1000times more appealing. Some of the old guys like to say "if you dont like it get out" well guess what.....thats excatly whats happening.
You want to keep guys in. Heres what needs to happen. The higher ups need to REALLY START LISTENING to the reasons why all the young guys are getting out and make changes to keep them in. Its not 1980 anymore. Shake the cobwebs out of your head and LISTEN. Maybe just maybe some guys would stay in.
Sorry about the little rant its just so frustrating dealing with some of the decisions made in this trade. Its sad cause there is so much potential for this be be an outstanding trade but there are too many retards in ottawa who havent worked in a firehall in years making decisions on how to run firehalls
Well put, I got out later year and I'm working in a civy hall. 100% better. Grass is much greener on the civy side.
There are alot of guys at our hall who say they will not sign it. Some have even already turned down the 5s course in feb and refused a new TOS. They are just going to finish out their contracts as QL4 qualified guys. No talk of going anywhere as the hall is already short man power. I truely feel sorry for the boys who signed TOS in the fall and now have to deal with this BS. Its a damn shame.
I agree with flanker. People are going to get out regardless. Now they just have more of a reason to do so. This is the wrong way of going about retaining guys. Anyone who is on the fence about staying in has now made up their mind. And Ill tell you they arent going to sign a 5 year restriced release. The trade is just killing itself. I cant wait to see how many of the approx 75 trained QL4s waiting for a 5s cousre will actually sign a restricted release or just laugh and say NO F***ING WAY
Maybe if there was some real incentive to stay in people would. I laugh at the list of incentives the trade advisor and career manager came up with as reasons to stay in. Civy depts have pensions and health care plans too. They also offer things like overtime pay and dont post you anywhere in the country every few years, and dont make you come in on your days off with no compensation to do stupid shit like a parade, or go to the range, or being CEs little bitch or to sign something at the orderly room that clearly couldve waited til you were on duty again. As it stands now the pros simply do not out weigh the cons and the civy side of firefighting is 1000times more appealing. Some of the old guys like to say "if you dont like it get out" well guess what.....thats excatly whats happening.
You want to keep guys in. Heres what needs to happen. The higher ups need to REALLY START LISTENING to the reasons why all the young guys are getting out and make changes to keep them in. Its not 1980 anymore. Shake the cobwebs out of your head and LISTEN. Maybe just maybe some guys would stay in.
Sorry about the little rant its just so frustrating dealing with some of the decisions made in this trade. Its sad cause there is so much potential for this be be an outstanding trade but there are too many retards in ottawa who havent worked in a firehall in years making decisions on how to run firehalls
Agreed!!! I too got out, bc of those very reasons then a year later just like CombatChallenger....hired with a civi dept. Good luck to all those guys that are getting out and to those in the trade, keep the head up...its good training and experience! I hope the it all works out in the end!
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